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WE ARE TO HAVE Pop Stars then make mine
the ones that cock-a-snook to the crown
jewels of their chart placings and are
strong and strange enough to be a part of
and apart from the industry. The
queue to interview Strawberry Switchblade
wound up the staircase and into the WEA
press office. Sometimes such places
strike me as being the Carry On film that
never got made. One imagines Sid James
leering over nipples in the art
department, Barbara Windsor filing her
nails over a typewriter with no ribbon,
the 70-year-old errand boy Charles
Hawtrey struggling about under a huge
pile of LPs while Kenneth Williams bursts
in from the A & R department
brandishing a cassette of his latest
signings, imploring the assembled to
"pin back your lug 'oles..."
Strawberry Switchblade are
deceptively strong and marvellously
strange. The knowledge that Rose used to
be in a group called The Poems who once
made a single financed, at least partly,
by shoplifting tends to imbue her current
endeavours with a somewhat sterner
significance.
Their songs are sometimes
cute, sometimes irksome, sometimes fun,
sometimes twee. If I was 10 they'd be on
my wall. But I'm not. And they're not.
Instead we're sitting behind a sliding
glass panel in the corner of the WEA
press office how very zoo!
They've spent the day
doing interviews and making occasional
demands for cake. I've decided not to
mention jewellery (although a magazine
phones to ask how much the pair possess.
"In tons'?" asks Rose,
"about a crateful each") or
clothes Rose has an enormous white
ribbon set into her black hair. Such a
thing simply speaks for itself.
Will those who buy your
records learn something about you as
people?
Rose: "They might
have an idea but goodness knows what sort
of idea."
Jill: "They might
have a small idea."
Rose: "It could just
give them a hint. We don't write them
very obviously."
Jill "It's difficult
to write very personal lyrics that give a
lot away. It's something that is close to
you so it's difficult to write about it
in an objective way that isn't really
cringey."
(Cringey!)
Rose: "Some of your
personality does come through."
Jill: "Probably more
likely they'll get a false idea. But not
that far off, like not completely
misleading."
Rose: "It's just that
words can easily be read in different
ways. A certain piece of music will make
some people feel happy and somebody else
feel really sad."
Have you discovered
anything about yourselves that you didn't
already know?
Jill: "Only that it's
very difficult to write lyrics."
You don't write lyrics
together?
Rose: "No. We only
wrote 'By The Sea' together."
Jill: "But that's
really tongue in cheek. If you write
together tend to have to create songs in
a really superficial way and not about
anything. We do have different opinions
on a lot of things and the lyrics are
very personal. It's hard for to people to
write a personal song."
Is it satisfying to have a
hit record?
Jill: "I just think
'On no, I've got to follow it up
now'."
Rose: It is something that
you wish for. Something you think will be
great to happen. It is really good when
it does. We did work really hard towards
it as well, all the recording and the
various producers we went through leading
up to it.
Jill: "I wanted it to
be a hit and it didn't look like it was
going to be. I remember asking the people
at the record company what they would
expect a single to do what would
they by happy with. They said it has
to go Top 50 and Top 40 would be great.
Top 50, phew! I didn't even think it
would do that."
Is being a pop star all it
is cracked up to be?
Jill: "I haven't
really noticed any difference because
we've been doing as much work after its
been a hit as before. We did Cable TV,
Music Box and Sky Channel that people
don't see down here but it gets you used
to being on camera. It's just carried
on."
Rose: "We've not had
time for it to sink in. Maybe if we had a
week off it might sink in. It might hit
us and we'd run away to Scotland
'Mummy, hide me in the wardrobe'. It's
good, you get to meet lots of people
although I'm sure it'll be better when
the LP is out and we tour in May. Touring
is the most brilliant part of all of it.
Jill likes it too... don't you... go
on... "
Jill: "I like it and
I don't like it. I like doing photos and
recording and interviews and television.
Playing live is great, you can get the
feedback from the audience so it's more
exciting but... I think once we're good
at it I'll probably enjoy it more. I
always feel a bit inhibited, a bit
embarrassed. Once I get over the
embarrassment of being on stage I'll
enjoy it more and have more confidence in
doing other things."
Rose: "The studio is
great fun, all the sounds and harmonies.
You can't do that live because you can
only make one noise with your mouth at
the one time. But everything that goes on
within a song happens all at once. On
records it goes through all the separate
channels."
Jill: "We're going to
be able to spend more money now on giving
people more of a show. We're going to
have a sound crew! And we're going to
have a visual show, different screens and
8mm films and slides to create moods for
the songs. We want to play in seated
venues because we're not a rock band and
we don't run on adrenaline. A lot of rock
bands create adrenaline in the audience
and excitement through volume and
intensity. We can be intense but it's
difficult with a backing tape and two
voices that are quite quiet. Hopefully it
will be exciting but we've got to
compliment ourselves rather than fill it
with all the rock clichés."
Rose: "I think it's
really important that everybody who wants
to come and see us can. There's quite a
few under 18s who want to see us and it's
not fair if they can't get in.
The good thing about seated venues is
that they're usually not licensed so
everybody can get in."
What age group do you
appeal to?
Rose: "From the very
young to the quite old. We get fan
letters from younger people. We don't get
any horrible letters yet."
Jill: "We did a Smash
Hits interview when he tongue-in-cheek
asked us why we were so ugly and we were
playing up to it. We got letters saying
'you're not ugly, you're lovely'
and we were going NO! We got a really
long letter from America saying we were
warm, intelligent women. Some people get
really personally involved in reading an
interview 'why did they ask you that?' or
'that was a horrible review'. We get...
sympathy. Somebody wrote saying they'd
make Rose a dress and to send the
measurements."
And did she send them?
Rose: "No".
Jill: "You should.
See what comes back."
Rose: "I got a letter
saying that I was responsible for all the
troubles in Northern Ireland. It was from
America. Three pages long, in fact there
were three separate letters because it
came via Roddy Frame. It was mad. I
couldn't even understand half of it
because it was written in riddles."
Jill: "We get
different categories of letter. Ones like
'we think you're a really great pop
group', ones from people struggling in
other groups saying 'can we support you'
and really long, dead sincere letters. I
like the long sincere ones the
best."
Are you taken seriously
enough?
Rose: "I think we
are. The people who don't take us
seriously are the people who don't know
us. Especially on a working level. We're
quite strong minded and do what we want
and we don't give people the chance to
mess us around."
Jilt: "I think if you
have fans that like you, they're going to
find out about you. If they find out you
write your own songs and read a bit about
your background they'll know we weren't
manufactured and picked up off the street
by the record company, dusted down and
given an image and stuck out on stage.
There aren't that many female singer/
songwriters and that helps.
"People we work with
have probably been briefed by our manager
about what we're like. I'd like to know
what they say actually, I'd quite like to
eavesdrop. People that don't know us at
all are sometimes surprised but they
don't say that to your face. You hear
from someone else 'I'd thought they'd be
frightening, dead moody or bad
tempered'."
Has Glasgow had a definite
effect on you. Would you be a different
group if you lived somewhere else?
Jilt: "I don't think
so."
Rose: "I do. I think
your whole environment and everything
about you influences your work."
Jilt: I just think it's to
do with your parents. Obviously I
wouldn't have met Rose if I'd lived
somewhere else."
Obviously.
Rose: "Glasgow is
different from London and most places are
different so what goes on around you
influences you in one way or
another."
Jill: "I think cities
are much like one another. I've been to a
few cities and there are areas
which are equivalent to areas in other
cities but... London's similar to Glasgow
except it's bigger. I don't think I'd
have been a different person if I'd been
brought up in Edinburgh. I would have
gone to Edinburgh art school instead of
Glasgow art school."
But the character
of a city?
Rose: "I think the
character has definitely influenced me
very strongly. Even the places where you
play when you're young, I'm sure that's
very important."
Jill: "I think Rose
stayed in a much more Glasgow part of
Glasgow. Where I stayed in Glasgow wasn't
like Glasgow, it was just a suburb."
Ah! Just a suburb. Much is
explained.
"It didn't appear to
have any character of its own it's
just... houses!"
Rose: "I moved around
a lot when I was younger and everywhere I
lived was quite rich in character. If I'd
lived in a suburb I might feel exactly
the same as Jill but I lived in quite alive
places always rich in experience
so I actually feel that it shaped me. The
places I lived were quite unique.
And you enjoyed your
childhood?
Rose: "Oh yeah. It
was brilliant. Good."
Jill: "Yeah, I liked,
er, certain aspects of being a child.
There wasn't so much worrying, more
security. You felt secure for less. But
also there are a lot of things that upset
you that you don't let upset you when
you're older. You leave the security and
thinking everything you're parents tell
you is true. I used to say to them 'say
there won't be another war, say there
won't be!' and get upset. And they'd
say 'of course there won't be another
war'. When you're grown up you think how
do they know? They don't know!
That was very unsettling."
Rose: "All your
illusions get shattered when you grow
up."
Jill: "You have to go
through a really bad patch and have to
readjust from childhood into adulthood.
Some people seem to do it like that but
I'm still adjusting.. (shrieks).
Rose: "So am I."
Jill: "I was such an
insecure child. I was told I had to wear
glasses when I was 10 and I had a nervous
breakdown! I can't really remember but my
Dad tells me I over reacted to
everything. Wearing glasses is nothing
and I acted like it was the worst thing
in the world. I don't even wear them
anymore. Things like that don't really
affect me now. I wouldn't over react
these days."
Are you still close to
your families?
Jill: "My mum and dad
phone every night, they always keep in
touch."
Rose: "And people
from my family always phone up, my Granny
or something. I come from quite a big
family so I found it quite traumatic
leaving though I didn't live with them
when I was in Glasgow. I think that's the
really sad thing about having moved to
London."
Jilt: "It's quite a
hard decision to break totally away. I
was living away from my parents in
Glasgow but to actually sever
the links with your parents and come
here... only seeing them two or three
times a year.
Rose: "The whole
experience of going back is dead unreal.
You're extremely fussed over and
everybody wants to see you while you're
there. I've got a big family, lots of
aunts that I want to see. So having a
break for a few days to go to Glasgow is
actually harder work because you're not
wanting to miss anybody out.
"Last time I was in
Glasgow I went to see my best pal who I
hadn't seen for ages and spent a whole
evening waiting for her to come in and
she didn't. All the neighbours were
saying 'd'ya want to come for a wee cup
of tea hen?'. I was so sad. I wrote a wee
note and put it through the door with a
single. She wrote me a letter. We'll meet
eventually again."
Is it worth the sacrifice?
Rose: "Oh, yeah. If I
still lived in Glasgow I'd be wanting to
do this anyway. I wouldn't be happy. But
now I've done what I want and I know it
was desire to do this. So everything that
comes out of it is my doing and I know I
can't complain."
What do you do with your
spare time in London?
Rose: "We've got
tomorrow and the next day off. I'm going
to sit around the house and then do some
shopping, we haven't done that for such a
long time."
Have you seen the sights?
Jilt: "Me and my
boyfriend went to the Tate Gallery and I
want to go to the natural history
museum."
Rose: "Oh yeah. I
wanna go there!"
Jill: "And the
science museum sounds brilliant."
Rose: "I'd quite like
to see the, what d'ya call it, the Tower
of London. Go and see the Crown Jewels
and the dungeons I like
dungeons!"
Jill: "I want to go
to parliament, when they open parliament.
And watch the debating."
Rose: "I can't really
be bothered with going to see Big
Ben."
Jill: "You see that
in taxis."
Rose: "I can't be
bothered with the Changing of the Guard,
it's not eventful enough. I went
to Madame Tussauds because I wanted to
see if they were any good. It's a bloody
rip-off, the amount of money they
charge."
Tell me your ambitions.
Rose: "I've got
millions of ambitions. I'd like to have a
lot more leisure time, read more, take up
hobbies. I'd like to jump out of an
aeroplane."
With or without a
parachute?
Rose: "With. I'll
leave the jumping out without one until
I'm older I think... into the sea. And
I'd like to meet Lou Reed but that's
hardly an ambition."
Jill: "I'd like to
have a house and security. And I'd like
more cats, I've got three. And a house
with a garden."
Rose: "I'd like a
house as well."
Jilt: "I'd like to be
a TV presenter, not Blue Peter but
Breakfast TV. I think it would be good if
it wasn't on so early in the
morning." (Applause from the
gallery.) "It's dead relaxed, dead
easy going. I'd like to be able to watch
less TV but I always twitch around doing
things. Actually not doing anything. Just
twitching."
Group ambitions?
Rose: "I'd quite like
to be going on as we are. I'd like the
group to be successful and have more than
just one hit single. And be successful to
the degree where we could an album
actually bought.
I'd like to be appreciated
but I don't think success is important.
It would be just great to write songs
that people wanted to hear."
Do you identify with any
characters from history?
Rose: "Sonny Bean.
The Sonny Bean family lived in (a town in
Scotland) in a cave and would waylay
travellers and eat them.
Jill: "It's
difficult. You tend to think of notorious
people and I don't identify with any of
them. I don't see myself as an historical
type.
But quite certainly as a
cat type. She latter tells me approvingly
of the woman who converted kitchen
cabinets into bunk bed accommodation for
stray cats during the cold weather.
"That's what they want, to curl up
with some newspaper and keep warm. Not to
have to live in a house with
people."
And disapprovingly of the
other woman with stray cats near her
house who "called the health
inspector to have them destroyed saying
that they attract vermin. That's wrong
CATS EAT VERMIN!"
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