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LAST dangled my tape recorder under the
nose of Tracey Thorn a year or so ago in
the soft-drinks only 'bar' of a Covent
Garden youth club. Her group, The Marine
Girls, were playing one of their modest
gigs. They were then at the stage of
recording bedroom cassettes and having
themselves photographed with an
inflatable dolphin. Tracey was
temporarily employed in a toy shop before
the lure of academia a led her to Hull
University a course in English. The Marine Girls'
'Beach Party' tape was eventually issued
in vinyl form by Whaam! records and later
Cherry red stepped in to sign the group
and release the 'On My Mind' single.
Some
time afterwards came Everything But The
Girl, a duo comprising Tracey and Ben
Watt, also a Cherry Red young hopeful and
quite by coincidence a fellow student at
Hull. Most recently has been Tracey's
wondrous 'A Distant Shore' a solo 'mini'
album.
She
wrote her first song when aged 15. She's
now a wizened 20-year-old.
We meet
up again at Kingston Poly where the
Marine Girls are doing one of their rare
gigs (due to the geographical distance
between the members) supporting the
Monochrome Set. Tracey dutifully keeps
out appointment and we rendezvous by the
mixing desk them adjourn for what she
later proclaims as "my first solo
interview".
"
'A Distant Shore' wasn't intended as an
LP at all, I sent some songs down from
Hull to Cherry red and they decided to
put them out. It felt right at that
length because all the songs were written
in a compact space of time just after I'd
gone up to Hull.
"I
felt it ended there. It sounds corny, but
I'd said all I had to say I couldn't have
written more songs just to pad it out. I
left the songs in chronological order as
well so to me it flows really well
because I know exactly what each song was
about and what was happening. Part of a
continuing experience. And then it just
ends. It seems really right."
If you
songs are so personal and based on your
own experiences do you ever fell you're
like an outsider observing your own life
or do are you ever conscious, when in a
particular situation, that it'll be 'good
material'?
"That
does happen sometimes, yeah. But usually
there is a bit of space inbetween. It's
not like something happens in the evening
and I write about it that night. I tend
to reflect later. But it's not so much
thinking 'ah this will make a good song,
more a way of getting something out and
expressing something for yourself as much
as for other people. If you write things
down you can really clear things up for
yourself. So I do sometimes think that
best way to sort outs something is that
is confusing or disjointed is to write it
down somehow."
The only
non-original inclusion on 'A Distant
Shore' is Lou Reed's 'Femme Fatale'. How
come?
"I'm
wary of doing covers of songs that mean
most to me. I feel I could never do
justice to a Billie Holiday song, say,
whereas I felt I could do 'Femme Fatale'
because it has never been recorded as
well as it could be. The original was performed
brilliantly but the recording was
terrible. I thought the only way to hear
it properly would be for me to sing
it."
The
B-side of a coming-soon single (a re-done
version of album rack 'Plain Sailing') is
a Monochrome Set tune 'Goodbye Joe'.
recalls Tracey:
"Bid
(Monochrome Set vocalist) was really
embarrassed. He thought his lyrics were
terrible but most people who've heard my
version say the words are lovely. It's
strange."
Later
that evening, despite the pleading of
Bid, the entire staff of Cherry Red, me,
and the audience, she steadfastly refuses
to step on stage and croon a duet with
the Set's singer.
What
kind of people do you think will but 'A
Distant Shore'?
"I'm
riding on the crest of a wave from the
things I've done before. So I suppose the
good publicity and chart ratings it has
got is due to people thinking 'let's see
what Tracey's solo album is like'.
"All
sorts of strange people like the Marine
Girls. We get lots of peculiar letters,
We started all those 'sea' connotations
and there was nothing meant by it but
people asked if we're obsessed by the sea
and do we eat fish for breakfast? It's
quite annoying actually. We get sent
shells. Little kids send up letters about
their trips to the seaside."
Would
you like to do solo gigs?
"I've
been offered solo gigs but turned them
down. I can just about cope with going on
stage with two other people but on my own
I'd be terrified, it's so risky, you're
such a target up there. I'm brave enough
o put my songs on record but not brave
enough to get up on stage in front of
people and sing them. It takes real
courage to stand on your own and sing
songs about yourself. I haven't got that
courage... yet."
Those
ogres, gone cynical with age, who lurk in
the darkest corners of the rock press may
liken your album to the early seventies
rash of mostly monotonous indulgencies by
the ... singer/songwriter! (Outbreak of
mass vomiting in rear stalls).
"Oh
God... no! That would be a condemning
phrase. I don't know many records of that
period anyway apart from, Nick Drake and
John Martyn (Shazam! She happily picks
the most credible of the species). I do
like Nick Drake a lot, but it's a bit
dodgy getting lumped in with the Paul
Simons and the Billy Joels of this
world."
How
would you sum up the mood of 'A Distant
Shore'?
"Quite
thoughtful I suppose. People say they
relax to it but I can't relax to it at
all. I play it and it puts me all on
edge! The music is relaxing but the
lyrics certainly aren't. I'd hate it to
be thought of as background music."
It's
very unobtrusively produced , enabling
the simple voice and guitar to retain
their abundant natural beauty. (The disc
was committed to tape at the legendary
Shed, an actual back garden recording
studio in Ilford belonging to Patrick
Bermingham who, a few years ago, ousted
the lawn-mower and spade and installed an
ex Pink Floyd! 8 track set
up).
"I
was desperate not to make it sound
produced. I did want to make it sound
like a sincere collection of songs rather
than a polished produced record. I do
feel guilty sometimes about putting a bit
of reverb on the vocals, as though
everything should be left naked.
"For
the single (the aforementioned 'Plain
Sailing', given a beefed-up finish at
Alvic Studios) I wanted more people to
hear it and get it played on the radio.
You want to be independent and committed
and do what you want to do but if no
one's going to listen then it's
self-defeating. It's all a bit low key
compared to what others have done. I
could have got some massive producer in
like Adam Kidron (!) and gone really over
the top. I feel guilty sometimes about
making polished records because I've got
this gloom of commerciality hanging over
my head."
But
there are producers and producers. Some
have their own stock-in-trade 'sound'
which they'll gleefully dump on anyone
who'll pay enough and then there is the
other, generally less heralded, kind who
can get into what an artist is about and
help them bring it across on record.
"Exactly,
for the Marine Girls LP (possibly
released in the new year) we got Stuart
Moxham in to help us and that was just
what we needed. He has some sense of what
we are doing because he really liked the
'Beach Party' album. He had more idea of
how a studio worked than we did but he
didn't impose himself over everything. He
just polished off a few things without,
hopefully, losing any of the essential
qualities."
Speaking
generally, everything that you've put out
has been well received by the media. How
much do good reviews mean to you
personally? Do you think they help
'validate' what you've done?
"Clearly,
if you are writing personal songs, it's
very important to have people reassure
you and day it's worthwhile and you're
not just writing indulgent, sentimental
love songs.
"Someone
told me that the Marine Girls' 'On My
Mind' made them cry. That was incredible.
The opinions of friends are as worthy as
reviewers. I would hate to be acclaimed
just on a critical basis. I like to think
the songs can mean something to people on
personal terms rather than how well
played or produced they are."
Would
you like to hear cover versions of your
own songs?
"Depends
on how they were done, I suppose. And
why. If they had 14 double-tracked vocals
and a horn section on and it became a hit
I would probably feel sick, I'd hate it.
I'd feel jealous if someone did one of my
songs in a way I liked and had a hit with
it. I'd be flattered of course but
there's always that old thing of the
person performing a song getting the
acclaim for it."
But
you'd get some money.
"Yeah,
but that isn't the way I'd like to make
money. Not that I'd refuse it
though."
Would
you ever like to write specifically for
other people?
"No.
I always want to do my own songs myself.
Even in the Marine Girls, if a song is
mine it's very personal, I like to sing
it myself instead of Alice doing
it."
It's
odd. The Marine Girls, Everything But The
Girl, and your solo stuff are all part of
you but each is very different and
reaches an extremely diverse audience.
"Yeah.
With the Marine Girls we tend to get
punks liking it yet Everything But the
Girl have been on Radio Two with my
granny listening. I feel a bit
chameleon-like at times.
"Actually
my granddad's got this new cassette
recorder, he doesn't know how to work it
but I send tapes of everything that I do
and he jigs about. They're very proud. To
them someone they know making a record,
let alone someone they're related to, is
incredible. They can't believe it. To
them, only famous people make
records."
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